Thursday, June 20, 2019

Why Aren't Australian Journalists Backing Julian Assange? 4

The matter of Julian Assange and Australian msm journalism just got more and more interesting for me today when I stumbled across a change.org petition update, headed 150,000 signatories then Twitter suspends our petitioner's account on Twitter.

The update, of 19/6/19, was written by... a Phillip Adams, Brisbane, Australia. Of course, the author of the update, is emphatically NOT the well-known Radio National broadcaster despite the identical spelling of their names.

The update set me wondering whether or not any of the 150,000 signatories to the original petition signed it thinking the Brisbane Adams was actually the ABC broadcaster. (You can access the former's update at change.org where he gives his suspended twitter account as @PhillipAdams64.)

Now I may be wrong, but my hunch is that few of them referred to in the update even knew who the broadcaster was.

But then a friend dropped in, assuring me that he'd heard the ABC broadcaster discussing Julian Assange, he seemed to think, positively. This, I thought was most unlike our PEP (Progressive Except Palestine) broadcaster, but felt compelled to check it out anyway.

Adams the broadcaster, of course, runs ABC Radio National's Late Night Live (LNL) program, so I headed to the LNL archives, specifically to the entry labelled 'Journalism', and trawled back in time until I found the only discussion in all of the entries listed there on Julian Assange.

It was dated 2/3/11, and headed Robert Manne: The untold story of Julian Assange. (If Robert Manne is unknown to you, just click on the relevant MERC label below.) Note that Adams and Manne are discussing only that period, in the mid-1990s, well before WikiLeaks, when Assange and others like him were collectively known as cypherpunks.

To cut to the chase, here is Adams' guest, Robert Manne, responding to his request to say where Assange stood in relation to the other 1990s cypherpunks. Note that, while a grudging, highly qualified admiration for Assange is the most we get from Manne, we don't even get that from Phillip Adams. Here's Manne's assessment of Assange, the cypherpunk, vis-a-vis other cypherpunks of the time:

"[Assange] is a real extremist on the hardline, electronic libertarian [model/spectrum?] who just would not put up with any state interference to individual liberties. On the other hand, he was from the point of view of left/right economics, more a left-wing libertarian or a left-wing anarchist in that he just didn't believe in the neoliberal philosophy of dual market and capitalism. So he had quite a complicated position which comes from his postings - which are all available if anyone took the trouble to to read them. So he is very hardline on the question of the struggle against the state trying to suborn individuals who want to communicate privately on the one hand. On the other hand, he's not an Ayn Rand type, whereas a lot of [the cypherpunks] were."

Typically, Phillip Adams asked Manne if Assange was "simply anti-American." Manne disagreed, saying:

"He understands the evils of Communism. One of his great heroes is Alexander Solzhenitsyn... One of the ironies is that people like John Pilger are now his great supporters, but in fact - or Michael Moore, the film maker - Assange doesn't respect people like that in reality... He's not a journalist at all, but even if he was to some extent a journalist... He is a revolutionary, not a non-violent revolutionary... He is the first person who has gotten away with threatening the extremely powerful."

Note that line, "He's not a journalist, but even if he were..."! Not to mention Manne's flabbergasting characterisation of Assange as a "violent" revolutionary because he "got away with threatening the extremely powerful."

Finally, I repeat, this was the only LNL program which touched on the subject of Julian Assange in the LNL archive, and was emphatically NOT any kind of endorsement of him. Consider this for the record.

14 comments:

Grappler said...

Does Manne even understand English? "Violent revolutionary"? Please!
One might (just) argue that the Gilets Jaunes are violent revolutionaries. Certainly their 1789 predecessors were, and the American Revolution was violent, as was the English Revolution of 1649. But in what sense is Assange a violent revolutionary? How has he caused anyone to be injured or killed? I understand that "violent" can be used in the sense, say, of "violent dislike", but when it becomes a qualifier of "revolutionary" it surely has only one meaning.

And why should John Pilger not support him? I suspect that Pilger supports honest journalism and honest journalists, whether or not he agrees with their politics. I find myself agreeing on a whole raft of opinions with people whose overall political bent I disagree with. That's normal.

Anonymous said...

Actually, being a listener of LNL since at least 2008, I'm pretty sure P A has inervewed Assange at least once. At any rate he has mentioned Assange numerous times, often explaining that he was (or is?) a board member of Wiki leaks since its earliest days. These mentionings of Assange have been positive : so I'm saying that your friend is correct. LH

MERC said...

G, re Manne's assessment of the pre-WikiLeak's Assange and his attitude to John Pilger, see my 13/11/16 post 'Clinton Emailed' (just click on the Pilger label below) where Assange is happily chatting to Pilger in 2016.

MERC said...

Anonymous, "pretty sure" simply isn't good enough. Unless you can cite the relevant documented evidence from the LNL archive as I have done all you have to go on is a hazy memory. Remember too that Phillip Adams is undoubtedly a great wit and loves joking around.

Anonymous said...

LH First: here is evidence PA was on the advisory board of Wikileaks.

From Wikileaks itself:
https://wikileaks.org/wiki/WikiLeaks:Advisory_Board

Next: to check the LNL archive- unfortunately the search engine for RN is very poor, but I have some time on my hands to have a look.

Anonymous said...

On LAte night live- 2 Interviews with Assange and one with his then lawyer Jennifer Robinson (the first 3 programs). There may be others.

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/search/?query=assange+lnl

So my recollections of PA interviewing Assange are accurate and at least in 2012 he gave much air-time for him. Note, one of the last times Assange came up on LNL was when PA did the writers festival show with Carr and Greer (the particular program, I believe has been discussed on this blog sometime last year?). Greer revealed her ignorance by ridiculing Assange's fear of extradition to the US and giving credence to the "hiding from Swedish justice" rubbish. PA said NOTHING to defend Assange and let the spurious rubbish stand. I haven't been listening to LNL for a while, but I get the feeling Adams may have ceased his support for Assange... LH

Anonymous said...

Note 2: I recall Adams saying on-air that as an Wikileaks Advisory Board Member he really has had very little (or nothing?) to do. LH

MERC said...

LH, I sincerely look forward to getting to the bottom of this Phillip Adams/ Julian Assange/ WikiLeaks mystery. Assuming that there is something to it, I offer up the following recent, typically humorous piece from Adams' column in The Weekend Australian Magazine of 25/5/19. (This WAM comes with each Saturday issue of the print Australian, btw.) Adams' column of the day is titled 'My special topic? Pass...' In it he claims proudly that, unlike "most columnists," he has no "area of expertise" and that he envies them "[f]or I can claim no significant accumulation of information on any issue," and that "like the generalising Jack I'm a master of none."

Now here are his final two paragraphs: "Social media is another area of blissful ignorance. OK, I do the odd tweet. But I'm utterly ignorant of Facebook and Instagram. Computers? Digital means fingers. Looking back at my confession, I realise my monumental knownothingness hardly matters. Like other pundits, I can instantly create the illusion of infallibility. A-Z? Go straight to W. Three cheers for Wikipedia."

Given this, it does seem that IF Adams was once associated with WikiLeaks, it must have been only in the most tenuous way, akin to an outgrown fad, and as you suggest, without any meaningful involvement.

Grappler said...

Off topic, MERC, but it seems that the ABC has recognised the Golan Heights as part of Israel. Its weekly news quiz on the ABC News front page today has the following question:

"A village with 10 people in Israel has been named after President Donald Trump. What is it called?"

After answering the question, you are given the following piece of information:

"The settlement in the Golan Heights was named Ramat Trump, which is Hebrew for Trump Heights."


The correct term is "Occupied Golan Heights" and it is most certainly not recognised (yet) by Australia as part of Israel. The ABC often changes its website after complaints but I have learned to keep a screenshot in this case.

MERC said...

LH, Three matters to clarify:

1. After simply googling WikiLeaks Board, I found 'WikiLeaks: Advisory Board, and there was Phillip Adams, albeit a much younger version of his present self. There were (are?) 8 other directors, including Assange himself. I wonder if this advisory board is now defunct.

2. Re Adams, Carr and Greer together at a Writers Festival event, this was to happen at the Brisbane Writers Festival, as the following plug makes clear: "Germaine Greer and Bob Carr will appear in a one-night-only Brisbane event, 'Uncensored: Greer and Carr' on Friday 7 September [2018]. Join us for a night of bold ideas hosted by Phillip Adams." (www.mup.com.au/blog/greer-and-carr-brisbane-event)

3. Greer and Carr were subsequently dropped by the Brisbane Writers Festival, so no writers festival event ever took place involving all three.

Anonymous said...

Some clarifications/comments:

1. I gather the Advisory Board was set up in the very early stages of the WikiLeaks project and I wonder whether it was EVER active.

2 and 3. Carr and Greer were indeed dropped and did not appear at the festival. I remember now that Adams scooped them up soon after and did a live broadcast with them. (No, actually it was the very same date (7th Sep))
The event was "Uncensored: Greer and Carr with Phillip Adams – Live on Stage in Brisbane"
https://www.mup.com.au/blog/greer-and-carr-brisbane-event
On the above site Carr has this to say of his dumping by the festival:"‘Maybe the festival objected to my praise of western civilisation. Or my advocacy of pragmatic engagement with China. It might have been my upfront argument against population growth and high immigration. Maybe my candid account of battles with the Israel Lobby."
Well....maybe the last one?
At the event, Carr related a formative experience where he was to present an award to a Palestinian. There was immense pressure brought upon him and other organisers of the award. To his credit he stuck to his guns, but the ordeal seems to have been a turning point for him regarding Israel and the lobby. LH

MERC said...

LH, the website reference you've provided is the exact same as the one I provided in my 11:42 comment. Yet you go on to say: "I remember now that Adams scooped them up soon after and did a live broadcast with them. (No, actually it was the very same date (7th Sep))" But Carr and Greer were dropped from the Brisbane Writers Festival in July 2018, so how could Adams have "scooped them up" in Brisbane on 7th Sep?

BTW, the "formative experience," you refer to was the awarding of the Sydney Peace Prize to Palestinian academic Hanan Ashrawi in 2003, at which the Israel lobby went ballistic, prompting Carr to rethink his position on the Palestine/Israel issue with the result you see today.

Anonymous said...

The same! Some confusion! I didn't check your link! But, the event advertised in the link was orchestrated by Adams as a kind of replacement for the original BRF events (which were to have Carr and Greer separately no doubt). (Also note how there is no Writers Festival branding anywhere on the webpage).
The event was recorded for LNL and you can listen to it here both for Greer's ignorance of Assange's persecution and Carr's insight regarding The Lobby.
https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/latenightlive/greer-and-carr---uncensored/10231028
But, getting back to Adams, and I have listened literally to many hundreds of hours of LNL, he expresses certain lefty viewpoints, but he tends not to advocate on his show. Mostly he listens, questions and tells anecdotes. So, I find it difficult to judge his level of support for Assange.
When I first discovered this site (MERC) I went through the archives and read all the Adams related articles (and many others) with much interest. I agree with the "Progressive Except Palestine" characterisation. My view: there is a good chance he is more enlightened than is apparent, but we would never know because he is cowed by the Lobby. Significantly, on a number of his broadcasts he has described, with some hurt, the amount and vehemence of correspondence he gets when his topic is Israel/Palestine, (which he says is from all sides and is by far the worst of any topic he discusses). Consequently, he fears and wishes to avoid the attacks and pressure that follow being critical of Israel so publicly, (and who wouldn't)... LH

MERC said...

LH, thanks for that missing link. In light of it I'll be working on a 6th Assange post today. Watch this space...